Hey John! Sorry this took awile for a response - just got back from tour last night and about to get caught up on everything!
2 things:
-The intro sounds good but it is twice as long as it's usually played.
-When you start into the melody after the intro the tempo slows down drastically. I think what you should try is playing the melody where it feels good to you, figure out what the beat is, and then play the intro according the the beat that you found. Then the intro and melody tempos should match. Does that make sense?
You've got 98% of the notes. It gets a little off around 00:22 where you added an extra beat. Also there's a few extra notes at 00:33. You want the last note (the open G) of the first trill to land on the downbeat. Try counting and clapping along with your video to make sure you know where the downbeat is. The end is close. Just needs a bit more attention to learn the notes. Good job overall!
Another thing to work on: the flow of the picking is a little bit choppy especially starting at the repeating boogie woogie lick on the first string at 00:24. Try isolating just that part and making it groovy. Just play that lick for a few minutes - you could be watching TV while you do this, btw - and try to make it musical in and of itself. The operative word here is flow. Try to discover the flow in that one lick. Then once you've got that down try to find the flow in the rest of the solo.
Chris, awesome lesson, glad to be coming back to this tune after a few months away. Think I may have messed up the pick direction in the final two bars with the hammer ons/ pull offs? Will continue to clean that up.
Gotta say think your instruciton on 'stylistic tenets' of Norman, TR, Doc etc. is better than any other material I've seen out there (including much of the instrucitonal material of the greats themselves.)
Would love to see you take a lesson and apply this studied lens to your own style (And even your contemporaries/ frequent colaborators, pikelny's banjo licks, stuff you learned from Julian etc.) or working through a tune of some of the more avant garde stuff from Avalon etc. Just a thought!
You sound great here!! Really nice flow to your playing, really groovy. Awesome. It gets a little hung up around 00:24 but you keep going and that's great. The only real issue is that you add an extra beat around 00:29. See my video from 20:47 for the exact spot.
Hey Chris I don't seem to be able to reply to your comment, and I know this is much delayed but thanks for the feedback! Working on the 'slurless' ending definitely helped getting into the first and second solos. thanks!
John, good job! There's one problem at the beginning where you're adding one extra 16th note before the first E note.
You're using slurs for almost the entire last phrase. Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but slurs are often best deployed as a way to accent a line. To that end, try getting it so you can pick all of the notes in the last line without any slurs. Then when you can do that try mixing them in to see the subtle way that they can color the phrase.
Hey Chris I don't seem to be able to reply to your comment, and I know this is much delayed but thanks for the feedback! Working on the 'slurless' ending definitely helped getting into the first and second solos. thanks!
Don't think I quite go tit but really enjoyed this lesson, just getting the minor/ major pentatonic variations on the tune and actually understanding what you/ Tony are doing. Increddibly cool.
John, great! There are a few extra beats here and there, which you can iron out by playing along with the lesson at a reduced speed, but you've got the sound of a lot of those licks. One thing, your pick direction flips at 0:06. The 2nd half of that first phrase should start on an upstroke.
Thanks for the feedback on this one Chris (again)!
Sounds like I should be working with a metronome or something, if only someone had told me that two or three times before I submitted this... Thanks for your patience and the fast specific eedback!
Hey Chris, thanks for the fast feedback! got some work with the metronome in on this cleaning up that missing drone and getting the meoldy of the b-part sorted out. Let me know what you hear! thanks again.
Great improvement! That sounds really good! My main comment now is make sure you keep the timing steady when you play those bass runs down to the G chord in the B part - they're rushing a little right now. You want to keep that flow groovy and steady. But all in all, great progress and great job!
Hey Chris, thanks for the awesome lesson, really enjoying working on this, I know I'm muffing some phrasing in this (or maybe emphasis is a better word, (or both)) but between watching the video wtih the slowdowner and the tab I can't quite pin point it in the B section. Looking forward to your feedback!
The A part is really close. I'm just being a stickler here, because what you're playing totally works, but I believe you're leaving out the second "drone" double stop (2nd 16th note of 2nd beat of first full measure--check in the tab). That one missing doublestop shifts everything behind it foreward one 16th note. If you add that back in it'll add a cool extra layer of syncopation and I think it'll actually be easier too!
For the B part, you're right--it does get off the rails a touch from the melody. With any situation like this where you might feel more lost my main advice is make sure that you can sing it. My variation of playing it low is actually quite close to the original way I showed the melody in the earlier lesson, just down an octave. So let that be your guide. It's the melody down an octave with a couple of extra bass runs. Nothing too crazy (unlike the A part which is a little more out). Make sure you can sing it along with me playing it. Then put it on the guitar. Also, try practicing this with the metronome as well. Get the metronome clicking in 4/4 where the first beat of the measure is accentuated. That'll help keep things honest.
Good luck and please, if you would, upload another video once you feel like you've made some progress.
Hey Chris, thanks for all the feedback, definitely feeling better consistently working with the metronome! Gotta start capturing some of that H/O P/O dynamic range. Thanks again for all the feedback!
You're playing it well as far as the sound you're getting but there's an issue: you're adding an extra beat into each measure and playing the song in 4/4 (straight time) as opposed to 3/4 (waltz time). So what we need to do is make sure that you're really feeling the three meter. Practice counting along to my orignal melody where you simply count aloud: "ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three", etc. Don't play while you do this - just speak the count and accent the ONE of each measure. Once that feels familiar and you really feel like you've got the three internalized, then go back and play along with me in the original video some more. Once you feel like you've got that comfortable and you're still feeling the 3 meter, then go back to the metronome. The most important thing here is that you're really feeling that 3 meter.
Good luck and let me know if you have any questions!
Thanks for the fast feedback Chirs! Spent some time wtih the metronome (And for others working on this it was really helpful to loop and actually play along with the video multiple times) think I ironed out some of the timing, and having mostly gotten that down started to really notice the more subtle dynamic stuff your talking about with the hammer ons/ pull offs, i can't do it but at least i can hear it/ recognize it! thanks again
John, that's great! The last thing I'd say as you work on it more is be sure that you can do it without the video, but with the metronome. The metronome in this instance is less about working on time and more about keeping you on track as far as knowing the phrasing. Don't shy away from accenting the 1st beat of the 3/4 measure.
Hey Chris, really enjoying the lessons, thanks for doing this! this is a work in progress I definitely slip the timing a little on the back half but not sure where. Still working on 'Living in the MS valley' that tunes remains harder than it sounds! Jack
First of all, great job. You've totally got the idea and all of the notes. The missing piece is the timing of the phrases.You're very close so I think you can figure it out on your own with a little help from the metronome.
My suggestion is that you get a metronome where you can highlight the first beat of every measure. If you have an iphone or android you can download a metronome app. I would highly encourage doing this. There is a really great, basic one called Tempo. It costs $3 and is rock solid; strongly recommended. One feature of this app is that you can easily set it so that the first beat of each measure is spelled out. Practice White Dove again with the metronome going in 3/4 and see if you can iron out the spots that are giving you trouble.
Looking forward to working through this tune, sorry audio quality is poor need to get a microphone. thanks Chris!
Hey John! Sorry this took awile for a response - just got back from tour last night and about to get caught up on everything!
2 things:
-The intro sounds good but it is twice as long as it's usually played.
-When you start into the melody after the intro the tempo slows down drastically. I think what you should try is playing the melody where it feels good to you, figure out what the beat is, and then play the intro according the the beat that you found. Then the intro and melody tempos should match. Does that make sense?
Otherwise, sounding good!
Thanks Chris, think I muffed the ending a little her. work to do! any notes appreciated as always!
Hey John,
Cool solo, huh? Thank you Norman!
You've got 98% of the notes. It gets a little off around 00:22 where you added an extra beat. Also there's a few extra notes at 00:33. You want the last note (the open G) of the first trill to land on the downbeat. Try counting and clapping along with your video to make sure you know where the downbeat is. The end is close. Just needs a bit more attention to learn the notes. Good job overall!
Another thing to work on: the flow of the picking is a little bit choppy especially starting at the repeating boogie woogie lick on the first string at 00:24. Try isolating just that part and making it groovy. Just play that lick for a few minutes - you could be watching TV while you do this, btw - and try to make it musical in and of itself. The operative word here is flow. Try to discover the flow in that one lick. Then once you've got that down try to find the flow in the rest of the solo.
Keep up the good work!
Chris
Chris, awesome lesson, glad to be coming back to this tune after a few months away. Think I may have messed up the pick direction in the final two bars with the hammer ons/ pull offs? Will continue to clean that up.
Gotta say think your instruciton on 'stylistic tenets' of Norman, TR, Doc etc. is better than any other material I've seen out there (including much of the instrucitonal material of the greats themselves.)
Would love to see you take a lesson and apply this studied lens to your own style (And even your contemporaries/ frequent colaborators, pikelny's banjo licks, stuff you learned from Julian etc.) or working through a tune of some of the more avant garde stuff from Avalon etc. Just a thought!
Thanks again for this!
John,
You sound great here!! Really nice flow to your playing, really groovy. Awesome. It gets a little hung up around 00:24 but you keep going and that's great. The only real issue is that you add an extra beat around 00:29. See my video from 20:47 for the exact spot.
Chris
Hey Chris I don't seem to be able to reply to your comment, and I know this is much delayed but thanks for the feedback! Working on the 'slurless' ending definitely helped getting into the first and second solos. thanks!
Great lesson Chris! thanks in advance for feedback. Will be at the show w/ Julian on Tuesday in Richmond, can't wait!
John, good job! There's one problem at the beginning where you're adding one extra 16th note before the first E note.
You're using slurs for almost the entire last phrase. Now, there's nothing inherently wrong with that, but slurs are often best deployed as a way to accent a line. To that end, try getting it so you can pick all of the notes in the last line without any slurs. Then when you can do that try mixing them in to see the subtle way that they can color the phrase.
Hey Chris I don't seem to be able to reply to your comment, and I know this is much delayed but thanks for the feedback! Working on the 'slurless' ending definitely helped getting into the first and second solos. thanks!
John, great! There are a few extra beats here and there, which you can iron out by playing along with the lesson at a reduced speed, but you've got the sound of a lot of those licks. One thing, your pick direction flips at 0:06. The 2nd half of that first phrase should start on an upstroke.
Thanks for the feedback on this one Chris (again)!
Sounds like I should be working with a metronome or something, if only someone had told me that two or three times before I submitted this... Thanks for your patience and the fast specific eedback!
Hey Chris, thanks for the fast feedback! got some work with the metronome in on this cleaning up that missing drone and getting the meoldy of the b-part sorted out. Let me know what you hear! thanks again.
Great improvement! That sounds really good! My main comment now is make sure you keep the timing steady when you play those bass runs down to the G chord in the B part - they're rushing a little right now. You want to keep that flow groovy and steady. But all in all, great progress and great job!
thanks, Jack
Hey Jack,
The A part is really close. I'm just being a stickler here, because what you're playing totally works, but I believe you're leaving out the second "drone" double stop (2nd 16th note of 2nd beat of first full measure--check in the tab). That one missing doublestop shifts everything behind it foreward one 16th note. If you add that back in it'll add a cool extra layer of syncopation and I think it'll actually be easier too!
For the B part, you're right--it does get off the rails a touch from the melody. With any situation like this where you might feel more lost my main advice is make sure that you can sing it. My variation of playing it low is actually quite close to the original way I showed the melody in the earlier lesson, just down an octave. So let that be your guide. It's the melody down an octave with a couple of extra bass runs. Nothing too crazy (unlike the A part which is a little more out). Make sure you can sing it along with me playing it. Then put it on the guitar. Also, try practicing this with the metronome as well. Get the metronome clicking in 4/4 where the first beat of the measure is accentuated. That'll help keep things honest.
Good luck and please, if you would, upload another video once you feel like you've made some progress.
Chris
Hey Jack,
You're playing it well as far as the sound you're getting but there's an issue: you're adding an extra beat into each measure and playing the song in 4/4 (straight time) as opposed to 3/4 (waltz time). So what we need to do is make sure that you're really feeling the three meter. Practice counting along to my orignal melody where you simply count aloud: "ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three - ONE - two - three", etc. Don't play while you do this - just speak the count and accent the ONE of each measure. Once that feels familiar and you really feel like you've got the three internalized, then go back and play along with me in the original video some more. Once you feel like you've got that comfortable and you're still feeling the 3 meter, then go back to the metronome. The most important thing here is that you're really feeling that 3 meter.
Good luck and let me know if you have any questions!
Chris
John, that's great! The last thing I'd say as you work on it more is be sure that you can do it without the video, but with the metronome. The metronome in this instance is less about working on time and more about keeping you on track as far as knowing the phrasing. Don't shy away from accenting the 1st beat of the 3/4 measure.
Hey Chris, really enjoying the lessons, thanks for doing this! this is a work in progress I definitely slip the timing a little on the back half but not sure where. Still working on 'Living in the MS valley' that tunes remains harder than it sounds! Jack
Hey John,
First of all, great job. You've totally got the idea and all of the notes. The missing piece is the timing of the phrases.You're very close so I think you can figure it out on your own with a little help from the metronome.
My suggestion is that you get a metronome where you can highlight the first beat of every measure. If you have an iphone or android you can download a metronome app. I would highly encourage doing this. There is a really great, basic one called Tempo. It costs $3 and is rock solid; strongly recommended. One feature of this app is that you can easily set it so that the first beat of each measure is spelled out. Practice White Dove again with the metronome going in 3/4 and see if you can iron out the spots that are giving you trouble.
Let me know how it goes!
Chris